On Τετ 07 Ιουλ 2004 18:55, Alexios Zavras wrote: > OK, oi xwroi kleisane me bash thn eikona poy eixame mexri twra > (thewrw oti mono oi arithmoi tha allaksoyn). > Dhladh: merikoi me laptop, polloi xwris. Ta laptop ola me > ethernet. Ws ek toytoy, den tha yparxei wireless. ok. > - den nomizw oti prepei to programma na einai toso "rigid", > kai idiaitera oxi me toso xwrismo "paroysiaseis"/"workshops". > Nomiza oti h idea htan na mazeytoyme kai na xwristoyme > se omades analoga me endiaferonta kai doyleies... Think BoFs. basika, opwsdnpote 8a xreiastei suvtovistns se ka8e omada, eimai evtelws avti8etws stnv idea "ka8omaste kai o ka8evas asxoleitai me oti 8elei", auto to kavoume kai spit mas :-) Oti 8a xwristoume se omades auto 8a givei sigoura, alla pws? De 8a n8ela va to afnsoume teleutaia stigmn va psaxvomaste meta3u mas kai va rwtame -pou eimai bebaios oti 8a givei allwste- "re su, se poio task eisai?", "o X de milaei twra gia to Y? - Oxi, milaei gia to Z. - Kai pote milaei gia to Y? -Poio eivai to Y?" Gi' auto 8elw o ka8evas va 3erei apo priv, oso givetai toulaxistov, poiov paei va akousei kai se poia tasks 8elei va summetexei. > - epishs, oi paroysiaseis me kanena tropo den einai ergasies. > Gia paradeigma to "paroysiash ergaleioy make" den einai ergasia: > enas milaei, alloi akoyne. To "dyskoloi oroi" einai ergasia: > polloi syzhtane kai doyleyoyne (den exei shmasia poy de grafoyn > kwdika). Nai, alla kapoios eivai suvtovistns (dev exw problnma va eivai opoiosdnpote allos, alla kapoios prepei va arxisei kai va teleiwsei tn suzntnsn de mporei va trabn3ei ws to bradu kai va asxoln8oume movo m' auto". Episns, oi parousiaseis DEN eivai ergasies, sumfwvw, alla prepei va prongn8ouv twv ergasiwv. Pws va kavei kapoios build eva paketo av dev exei parakolou8nsei estw kai ligo tnv parousiasn tou make? Gi' auto kai movo to logo ta diaxwrisa, wste va bebaiw8oume oti 8a uparxei logikn akolou8ia tou evos me to allo. > - Kata th gnwmh moy, kanonika tha'prepe na'xoyme dyo pinakes: > "Paroysiaseis: thema - atomo na milhsei - atoma na akoysoyn" > kai > "Ergasies: thema - atoma na doylepsoyn" > Skopeya na toys eixa ekei sto workshop (megala xartia h > whiteboard), o kathenas na grafei o,ti thelei, kai molis "kleinei" > kapoio thema na orizetai wra kai na ginetai (kai to wiki tha epaize > rolo initial seed). Yparxei antirrhsh na to treksoyme etsi ? Xm... vai, de 8elw va afnsoume oln tnv orgavwsn teleutaia stigmn, dev uparxei logos giati va mnv exoume apo priv orisei me ti 8a asxoln8oume, oso givetai toulaxistov. Eivai pleov dedomevo, oti allwste ta 8emata eivai para polla gia movo 2 meres, kai isa pou prolabaivoume va asxoln8oume ligo me auta, av ta afnsoume gia teleutaia stigmn de 8a kavoume tipote. Sorry, alla eilikriva to pisteuw oti av dev baloume apo priv programma KAI stoxous (ti epidiwkoume va petuxoume se ka8e ergasia) aplws 8a ka8omaste kai 8a kavoume browsing kai movo orismevoi 8a asxolouvtai me ta dika tous. To exw dei va givetai kai dev eivai idiaitera wraio. > > - tha hthela mia paroysiash gia linux distributions > (diaforoi milane o kathenas gia ayth poy kserei, eidika > sygkritika) Av eivai POLY suvtomn parousiasn :-) dev exw avtirrnsn, alla pros 8eou va mnv odngn8ei se flame wars twv distro. > - idanika kai mia paroysiash "debian for system administrators" > (an yparxei kaneis gia na thn pei) Megalo 8ema, to opoio 8a mporousa omws va avalabw, alla ws pros ti? Network? Security? Day to day? package management? User? Process? Eivai polla ta 8emata. > An analabeis esy to "debian for system administrators", na diabasw > to cvsbook/svnbook kai na ta paroysiasw egw (alla ta basika den ta > ksereis hdh ?) Oxi gia meva re su :-) Alla wraia pou prosferesai, toul. 8a milnsei kapoios pou 3erei :-P Kwstas