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Re: GSoC HashesDB

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On Thu, Apr 8, 2021, at 12:10, Nikolaos Sokos wrote:
> Hello again , 
> I just uploaded my draft proposal. I am waiting for your feedback when 
> it's possible.
> 
> Thanks for your time,
> Nikos
> 
> Στις Πέμ, 1 Απρ 2021 στις 7:19 μ.μ., ο/η Alexios Zavras 
> <zvr+eellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>> έγραψε:
> > Hi NIkos,
> > 
> > the absolute minimum would be a CLI to query the database.
> > Anything more than that (GUI or Web or REST or...)
> > would be a welcome addition, but not mandatory.
> > 
> > We can discuss about whether and how to split the database,
> > if limits are reached.
> > I'm not sure "file type" would be something useful, but one
> > can envision sharding based on hash types or even hash values.
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, at 14:41, Nikolaos Sokos wrote:
> > > I have a few more questions for you. a) Do you consider a graphical 
> > > interface or a web app to search the database ? b) Do you think it will 
> > > be helpful to break the database into parts for every file type ? 
> > > Thanks for your previous answers the project is now way more understood,
> > > Nikos
> > > 
> > > Στις Πέμ, 1 Απρ 2021 στις 1:03 π.μ., ο/η Alexios Zavras 
> > > <zvr+eellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>>> έγραψε:
> > > > Right.
> > > > Although one can easily think of different ways to search, like:
> > > > hashes search -t sha1 0x5678... ; # specify which type of hash
> > > > hashes search 0x1234... ; # search for any hash
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, at 16:42, Nikolaos Sokos wrote:
> > > > > So if i want to search and answer  whether this file has been already 
> > > > > seen i cannot just check if its sha-1 is available , because it might 
> > > > > not be stored and maybe its sha-2  is stored. This will lead to 
> > > > > counting and searching for all the allowed hash functions? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Στις Τετ, 31 Μαρ 2021 στις 4:39 μ.μ., ο/η Alexios Zavras 
> > > > > <zvr+eellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>>>> έγραψε:
> > > > > > OK, yes, you are correct that there might be
> > > > > > a number of hashes for each file.
> > > > > > So the database may include:
> > > > > > - sha1(file1)  == 0x1234...
> > > > > > - sha1(file2)  == 0x5678...
> > > > > > - sha2(file2)  == 0xABCD...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is your question how are these queried?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, at 09:41, Nikolaos Sokos wrote:
> > > > > > > Lets say we have a database that stores multiple hash values (for 
> > > > > > > example sha1 , sha2-256) with multihash representation as you 
> > > > > > > suggested. "For each file, a number of distinct hashes" this is where 
> > > > > > > my question comes, for every file we must have the same hash functions 
> > > > > > > and the corresponding hash values or can for example : File1 --> sha1 
> > > > > > > --> hash value-1 that is stored on database . File2 --> sha1 -->hash 
> > > > > > > value2-1 & File2 --> sha2-256 --> hash value 2.2 and both stored . If 
> > > > > > > we use multihash we can easily find out which hash function we use but 
> > > > > > > when we try to search if a file has been seen again we dont know that 
> > > > > > > hash value exists and we have to check for every allowed hash function. 
> > > > > > > I hope this helps . 
> > > > > > > Thanks for your immediate response, 
> > > > > > > Nikos
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Στις Τετ, 31 Μαρ 2021 στις 10:19 π.μ., ο/η Alexios Zavras 
> > > > > > > <zvr+eellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>>> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2525252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>>>>> έγραψε:
> > > > > > > > Yes, of course there will be a database.
> > > > > > > > Maybe I misunderstood your initial question
> > > > > > > > and answered something different...
> > > > > > > > I thought you were asking about how to ensure
> > > > > > > > the integrity of "our" database if we were allowing
> > > > > > > > users to "upload" hashes.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Can you repeat (using other words) your question, please --
> > > > > > > > or give an example so that I can better understand?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, at 08:40, Nikolaos Sokos wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification but I am still a bit lost. Even if we 
> > > > > > > > > don't have to collect data, shouldn't we know or create Database 
> > > > > > > > > structure? So we can maintain and search it faster? 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Στις Τετ, 31 Μαρ 2021 στις 8:36 π.μ., ο/η Alexios Zavras 
> > > > > > > > > <zvr+eellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>>> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2525252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>>>> <mailto:zvr%2Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2525252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>>> <mailto:zvr%252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2525252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>> <mailto:zvr%25252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%2525252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr> <mailto:zvr%2525252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr <mailto:zvr%252525252Beellak [ at ] zvr [ dot ] gr>>>>>> έγραψε:
> > > > > > > > > > HI Nikos, thanks for your interest.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The goal of the project is to create software
> > > > > > > > > > that creates, maintains, and searches a database of hashes.
> > > > > > > > > > It is not to offer a service nor to collect data of such a database.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Therefore there is no "our Database" where a user
> > > > > > > > > > might "wants a file hash to be stored into",
> > > > > > > > > > no files to be uploaded or anything like that.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I hope it's a little clearer now.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, at 03:27, Nikolaos Sokos wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > > > > My name is Nikolaos Sokos and I am currently studying  Computer 
> > > > > > > > > > > Engineering and Informatics at Patras,Greece.I have a question about 
> > > > > > > > > > > the project : Lets say a user wants a file hash to be stored into our 
> > > > > > > > > > > Database should every hash value accepted be calculated and saved or 
> > > > > > > > > > > can the user choose the type of hashing. The main problem if the user 
> > > > > > > > > > > can choose is that when for example the same file is uploaded but with 
> > > > > > > > > > > another hashing we have to recalculate every acceptable hash and check 
> > > > > > > > > > > if it is already stored (or look for a better solution?) What does the 
> > > > > > > > > > > project suggest ? Should we save every single hash or find a way to 
> > > > > > > > > > > check if different hash value is stored? 
> > > > > > > > > > > I really hope I made my point clear, 
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time , 
> > > > > > > > > > > Nikos
> > > > > > > > > > > 
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