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> Ti egine prin apo ayta pou leei ayth h selida?
> Gia to X-windows den xreiazetai pros to paron na
> pw tipota perissotero - kai ayta pou brhkate
> apodeiknyoyn oti htan ena ergo teleiws
> anti-bazaar.
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apo ekei kai pano einai texnikes odigies
ean vreite kapoio kommati pou lei oti ta X den einai
vasismena se ethelontiki prospatheia, exei kalos kai tha
ithela na to do
gia tin ora ego ermineuo to :
"A cast of thousands, literally."
san endiksi ethelontikis prospathias
prosoxi: den leo pos ksekinisan ta X (MIT project), leo
poios ta efere os emas, i ethelontiki douleia xiliadwn sto
xfree project
> Oso gia thn diamaxh Linus kai Tanenbaum ws pros
> thn kataskeyh toy Linux kernel einai gnwsth. O
> Tanenbaum 8ewrei to Linux apotyxhmeno san domh
> (monolithiko) omws ayto den anairei ayto pou kai
> o Linus paradexetai oti dhladh ema8e kwdika
> leitourgikwn systhmatwn apo to MINIX tou
> Tanenbaum.
ean anaferate to MINIX san paradeigma gnosiakis syggeneias
tote nai simfono mazi sas, to development model (bazaar
enanti enos mono ereuniti, tou tanenmbaum) kai oi stoxoi
(real world OS vs. ergaleio didaskalias) itan omos entelos
diaforetika
> Makari na ginotane makari. 8a sas apodeiksw
> syntoma poso adiko exete.
makari kapoios na paraviasei tin GPL
oste meta na mporesei to FSF na tous traviksei minisi
> De nomizw oti gia na milhsei kapoios sto forum
> prepei na einai linux hacker opws proteinete.
genika gia na milisei stin lista open-source oxi
gia na milisei omos pano sto thema "ethelontiki prosfora
stin linux-kernel mailing list", nai
giati akomi kai ego mporo liga na po gia tous stoxous kai
ton tropo douleias autwn twn anthropwn
den stero omos apo kanenan to dikaioma ston logo, aplos
thelo na episimano oti ean enas kernel-hacker itan anamesa
mas isos na elege kai stous dio:
"re agoria eseis pou milate gia mas, exete prosferei
tipota sto linux-kernel ? kana kommati kodika ?"
kai sas to leo auto exontas gnosi tou pos antidroun
sinithos oi kernel hackers
sigkekrimena yparxei ellinas pou asxoleitai me to
linux-kernel o opoios "den masaei ta logia tou" kai
ean lavene ena antitipo tou proigoumenou mail sas , oi
dikes mou apantiseis tha emoiazan san aples symvoules
mprosta stis dikes tou
(ontas anotero texniko myalo, den sigxorei tin agnoia ;)
(ta meli tou hellug pou einai edo, peripou exoun katalavei
gia poion leo)
> Tyxainei na exw didaktoriko sthn aksiologhsh ths
> poiothtas twn dhmosiwn plhroforikwn systhmatwn
> kai na exw didaksei leitourgika systhmata me bash
> ton Tanenbaum se spoudastes episthmhs ypologistwn
> se proptyxiako kai metaptyxiakoo epipedo th
> dekaetia toy 80. Nomizete oti den mas xreiazetai
> kai h gnwmh twn allwn, twn mh eidikwn? Mporei na
> noiw8oyn pragmata pou emeis logw 8eshw h
> diktywshs h estw xarakthra na mhn mporoume na ta
> katalaboume.
>
den amfisvitisa tin gnosi sas pano sto computer science
omos lipamai alla tha amfisvitiso tin gnosi sas pano
sto development model kai tis politikes sinergasias
anamesa sta meli tis koinotitas
parousiazete ena kinima eksoxos anti-komformistiko san
omades "gravatomenwn" ipallilwn etairiwn kai epistimones
pou douleuoun se aposteiromena ergastiria ipsilis
texnologias eno milame gia anthropous pou an kai
exoun foveres texnikes gnoseis , i pleiopsifia autwn exei
elaxista texnika mesa kai amoivetai elaxista
akomi to parousiazete san kati pou elegxetai apo
megales etairies kai megala panepistimia eno prokeitai
gia aneksartiti (eos anarxiki) kinisi anthropwn pou aplos
ipostirizontai apo etairies kai sigoura den ipakoun se
autes
auti i anarxi katastasi paroti mporei na apodeixtei kai
i axilleios pterna (katareusi logo ellipsis organosis)
mexri tora aplos exei deiksi oti afinei tis nees idees na
proxorisoun
to thema vevaia einai (kai auto einai pou exei
provlimatisei tin mama-etairia) einai oti den yparxei
"kati" gia na katareusi, ean fugei o X developer, i
dimosieusi meso tis GPL diasfalizei oti kapoios allos
tha synexisei
einai dyskolo na xtipiseis mia xalari domi anthropwn pou otan
tin xtipas sou dinei na katalaveis oti apla xtipas aera
kai tautoxrona anasyntassetai kapou allou
(mia katastasi san ta megala psaria enantia
stis sardeles pou kinountai se megales omades, oso kai na
prospathoun ta megala psaria xanoun ton stoxo mesa sto
plithos)
kai oxi den einai entelos anarxi katastasi, aplos i eksousia pou yparxei
(tou Linus) kanei tin emfanisi tis
opote xreiazetai
ta parakato dinoun (se opoion exei tetoies antoxes)
tin dinatotita na dei 5 pragmata parapano
einai i FAQ tis kernel-mailing list
gia na min katevazete 10 fores tin idia selida (100kb
megethos) , mporeite na katevasete mono to proto link
(to s3-7 gia paradeigma simainei section 3, erotisi 7)
kai na pigainete apo link se link
pos ftiaxno ena patch gia to kernel ?
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s1-10
pou vrisketai apothikeumeno to linux kernel ? :
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s1-12
pos kataferno na ginei dekto ena patch mou ston kernel ? :
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s1-15
oi driver maintainers den exoun xrono :
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s2-4
kinisi tis listas :
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s3-7
oi "krifoi" kanones tis listas :
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s3-12
exo mia foveri idea , tha me akousete ?
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s3-16
pos na steilete ena c-program sxetiko me to kernel:
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s4-1
pos na sas apantisoun oi kernel-developers :
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s5-3
se poion anoiki to linux ?
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s7-8
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s7-9
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s7-10
peri idewn :
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s15-5
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s15-6
tha diapistosete oti gia na prosferei kapoios
sto linux-kernel arkei na grapsi ena c-program
kai na to steilei se ascii mesa sto mail pros tin linux-kernel lista,
ama einai kalo kai linei
kapoio provlima tote autos pou einai ipeuthinos gia ton
tomea(p.x. ide driver) tha to tsekari kai tha to steilei
ston linus kai ean aresei kai ston linus tote tha mpei
ston kernel
nomizo oti oute ipervoliki grafeiokratia dimiourgei auti i
domi oute kai anarxia
> Ti lete, mporoume sth xwra mas na elegksoume ena
> antigrafo mias dianomhs gia akeraiothta kai viral
> capabilities? Gia ta kleista systhmata den to
> syzhtaw de nomizw oti yparxei h texnoghwsia se
> kamia omada. An kanw la8os parakalw dior8wste me.
den ksero gia to dimosio alla stis listes tou
lists.hellug.gr sigoura yparxoun anthropoi pou mporoun
na tsekaroun ta esoterika opoioudipote open-source
project kai na sas poun ean kanei "perierga" pragmata
tha xaroun na paroun kai lefta malista apo to dimosio
gia na kanoun kati tetoio
> Na to kanw poio dysolo? Exoume thn dynatothta na
> elegksoume thn yparksh viral tropopoihmenou
> logismikou stis dhmosies toylaxiston yphresies
> mas? Prosekste den lew oti yparxei. Omws yparxei
> h dynatothta na yparxei.
ama to dimosio synergastei me tous sostous anthropous
(www.hellug.gr)
tha tou ypodeiksoun methodologies na vrei kai ta
apotipomata tis pro-giagias mou
na episimano oti sto kleisto logismiko den yparxoun
tetoies dynatotites
> Kai mhn perimenete na to
> broun oi spoudastes tou MIT na to anakoinwsoun.
> Epeidh ayta poy briskoun ekeinoi einai apo
> kanonikes kopies - oxi klepsitypes. Aytes pou
> kykloforoun edw, estw kai kanonikes den 8a
> mporesoun pote na perasoun apo ta ekei koskina.
> Edw ta exoume ayta ta koskina?
> ==============
edo milame gia kleisto logismiko kai den tha epektatho
ean milousate gia anoikto logismiko tha sas elega oti
oti free logismiko exoun oi foitites tou MIT, mporei na exei
kai o opoiosdipote thelisei na analisei kai na kanei
security-hardening stin ellada (legetai internet, oti
free logismiko yparxei stin ameriki, erxetai kai edo)
kai afou thelete na doume pios exei ta kalitera
security "koskina" sas leo oti mia apo tis kaliteres kryptografikes
vivliothikes ston kosmo
exei ftiaxtei apo ellina mathimatiko pou einai
melos tou hellug (alla mallon den exei tis
"katalliles" politikes diasindeseis gia na ton
"anagnorisei" to dimosio)
> Ektimw oti sta ypoloipa grafomena mou, pou htan
> kai ta oysiastikotera, profanws ta eksetasate me
> thn deousa prosoxh.
>
> Elpizw na sas endiaferei erxontai sth lista
> tetoia erwthmatika kai elpizw kai eyxomai na
> mporoume na synexizoume aytes tis poly xrhsimes
> antallages apopsewn.
>
kamia antirrisi na lete oti nomizete, alla na levete
ipopsi sas oti kapoioi anthropoi pou exoun prosferei
ethelontika tha prosvallontousan asxima apo ta legomena
sas ("ola ta exoun kanei etairies ep'amoivi kai o Linus")
(ego den exo prosferei kodika kai ara den prosvallomai ;)
>
> Me ektimhsh
>
> Giwrgos Mplanas
>
>
>
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