At Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:48:11 +0300, Alexios Zavras wrote: > Einai alitheia oti apo ayto to mail elava poly xrisimes gnoseis. Kyrioteri i yparksi tis eleytheris Gentium tin opoia tha dokimaso sto Gnome mou alla kai to pou paei i texnologia ton fonts. Se eyxaristo gia to xrono pou dietheses gia ti syggrafi toy mail. Gi ayto loipon min koliseis pote an thes na to "ksanakaneis". Oso gia tin ypodomi pou den yparxei sto linux emeis giati eimaste edo? Kati teleytaio: ti ginetai me ta eleythera fonts pou ftiaxtikan apo ti synergasia tis bitstream kai tou Gnome foundation? Ypostirizoun Ellinika kai ensomatonoun texnologies pou perigrafeis? > [syggnwmh gia thn kathysterhsh, alla eimai mplegmenos m'ena project > gia 2 bdomades ki olos o xronos moy einai kateilhmmenos...] > > Simos Xenitellis wrote [edited]: > > Στο > > http://athena.admin.grnet.gr/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=GreekFonts > > υπάρχει μια λίστα με τις «γνωστές» διαθέσιμες ελληνικές γραμματοσειρές. > > > > Θα ήθελα > > - Αν υπάρχουν γραμματοσειρές που λείπουν, να μου σταλθεί e-mail για να > > ενημερώσω τη λίστα/προτάσεις για το περιεχόμενο. > > Profanws oi ths Microsoft: > http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ > > An einai na anaferontai "lyseis" opws h APAXNION kati h Galilee, > poy exoyn ta Ellhnika glyphs sth thesh twn agglikwn xarakthrwn, > tha brethoyn ki arketes alles grammatoseires (arxhs genomenhs > apo th "Symbol" :-). > Apopsh moy einai na mhn anaferontai aytes (afoy den einai xrhsimes). > > A, kai mia parathrhsh: to screenshot ths Thryomanes > http://hlp.sourceforge.net/OTHER/thryomanus.png > *den* apeikonizei th Thryomanes... oyte ki egw kserw ti Ellhnika > einai ayta. Alla sthn eikona h Thryomanes xrhsimopoieitai > gia ta Agglika sto menu ("About Myself" klp.), enw sta Ellhnika > einai kapoia allh... H Thryomanes, opws fainetai apo ta Agglika, > einai serif, me mikro x-height. Ta glyphs poy fainontai > den einai mesa sto ttf ths. > > > > - Αν χρησιμοποιείτε κάποια από τις γραμματοσειρές και πιστεύεται ότι > > πρέπει να τις δοθεί ενδιαφέρον, > > Proswpika pisteyw oti kalyterh apo oles aytes einai (me diafora) > h Gentium. San sxediash kai ektelesh. Meta oi ths Microsoft, > gia thn apsogh ektelesh. Oi ypoloipes apexoyn parassaggas. > > Alla aytes einai ypokeimenikes apopseis. Kai kyriws eksartwntai > apo th *xrhsh* poy thelei kaneis na kanei sth grammatoseira. > Egw xrhsimopoiw grammatoseires me Ellhnika gia na grafw keimena > kyriws, kai elaxista gia User Interface... > > M'aresei h Gentium giati exei xarakthra sth sxediash ths (ksexwrizei), > den einai allh mia apo ta idia (poses parallages theloyme, pia?). > Einai eksairetika prosegmenh se polles leptomereies. > Einai OpenType (an kai oxi me polla polyploka stoixeia -- yet?). > Kai fysika anaptyxthhke giati to zhthsame emeis -- h mallon "wthhsame" > pros thn anaptyksh ths kai thn eleytherh diathesh ths. > > Den exw screenshots giati de xrhsimopoiw desktop (poso mallon ellhniko), > alla an thelete PDFs mporw na promhtheysw. > Xmmm, kai sreenshots apo text viewing... > An kai o Victor exei diathesima specimens: > http://www.sil.org/~gaultney/gentium/samples.html > > Mia parenthesh gia to OpenType. H diethnhs agora den exei akoma > katalhksei ws pros thn kateythynsh poy tha paroyn ta fonts, > sxetika me thn texnologia poy tha enswmatwnoyn. Ennow, > OpenType tha einai sigoyra, alla poso advanced kwdika tha exoyn ? > Eeee, gia na ekshghthw gia toys mh gnwrizontes: sta OpenType fonts > mporei na enswmatwthei arketh "gnwsh", kai malista me procedural morfh > (oxi aplws data), wste na ginei eykoloteros o xeirismos keimenoy. > Klassiko paradeigma, ta ligatures: f+i -> fi (san ena glyph). > Dhladh einai sxediasmeno ena glyph poy na apeikonizei to syndyasmo "fi" > kai prepei na xrhsimopoihthei anti gia alla dyo (ta "f" kai "i"). > H erwthsh einai "poios ta kanei ola ayta ?". Paradosiaka, > htan doyleia ths efarmoghs ("otan o xrhsths exei dipla > ena f kai ena i, de tha bazw toys xarakthres f kai i, > alla to xarakthra me kwdiko XXX poy einai to ligature"). > Afoy, omws, kalo tha htan oles oi efarmoges na to eixan, > h Apple, p.x., to ekane "system service" (library) kai to onomase ATSUI. > Opote oles oi efarmoges mporoyn na exoyn ta pleonekthmata aytomata. > Yparxei, omws, ki h allh pleyra, poy leei oti ayto einai doyleia > toy font(!) giati ayto einai to mono poy kserei, p.x., an exei > eidiko glyph gia to ligature "f"+"i". Mporei na mhn exei, > h na exei kai gia alla ("c"+"t" -> "ct"). > Ayto to erwthma, loipon, ("poios tha kanei th doyleia"), > den exei apanththei oristika (akoma) kai perimenoyme... > > A, kai mas endiaferei ayto ? Eidika gia ta Ellhnika, poly! > Giati h glwssa (programmatismoy) mesa sto OpenType poy ftiaxthke > einai poly isxyrh. Kai etsi mporoyme emeis oi xrhstes twn Ellhnikwn > na perasoyme sto font plhrofories opws, xmmm, na skeftw, > "otan ena sigma den akoloytheitai apo allo gramma > na antikatastathei apo to finalsigma". Ki etsi *oles* oi efarmoges > apoktoyn ayth th gnwsh kai drepontai to apotelesma. > Na to proxwrhsw: "otan ena tonoymeno sth mesh ths lekshs > ginetai small-caps h caps, ginetai mh tonoymeno". > [exw dei kati table of contents sto Microsoft Word me small caps > poy eixan tonoys sth mesh twn leksewn kai bgazan mati!] > H, akoma parapera (de tha pw to geniko kanona, ena paradeigma): > otan to Maios [a-accent iota] ginei kefalaia, na ginei MAIOS > [Alpha Iota-diaeresis] !!! Aytomata dialytika! > Kwdikas gia ola ta proanaferthenta yparxei (alla de thelete > na ton deite, fantasteite programmatismo assembly se stack machine -- > mono to debugging htan eykolo). Kai exei hdh mpei se (soon-to-be) > commercial fonts. Fantasteite, loipon, ena mellon poy *polla* > stoixeia toy xeirismoy twn Ellhnikwn (oxi ola, omws :-) > tha einai diathesima aytomata se oles tis efarmoges... > > Phew... telos ths parentheshs h opoia aplws ksekinhse gia na pw > oti ta pragmata allazoyn, den kseroyme poy tha pane, kai (dystyxws) > sto Linux den nomizw na yparxei tetoia ypodomh (yet)... > Idomen... > > > > - Σχόλια για την jGaramond. > > Eeee, kalh prospatheia, alla to apotelesma de m'aresei. > > Logoi, xwris ierarxhsh (tha prospathhsw thlegrafika): > - genika proswpika den poly-sympathw ta garalde (idiws gia ellhnika) > - exei xarakthres teleiws asxetoys (san helvetica bold) > se orismenes theseis (0250-02EE, 20A0-20AF, klp.) > - exei mono fi kai fl ligatures (oxi ff, ffi, ffl) > eidikotera gia ta ellhnika: > - to theta einai poly paxy > - oi tonoi (sta monotonika) de m'aresoyn *katholoy*. Einai entelws > kathetoi, enw ta grammata exoyn mia fysikh klish (kai roh). > Koita to iota-accent: wraio iota kai toy'rxetai kati katakoryfo > apo ton oyrano. Ypothetw oti to ekane gia na ksefygei > apo thn okseia (poy einai plagia), alla apetyxe. > - oi tonoi sta monotonika kefalaia einai para poly konta sta grammata > - den exei ypogegrammenes (sta polytonika, fysika :-) > kai fysika: > - den exei kerning pairs!!! hmarton... > > Otan exeis mia selida keimeno me ayth, to xrwma xtypaei asxhma. > Fysika s'opoion aresei as th xrhsimopoiei eleythera (profanws :-). > Kai einai poly kalyterh apo polles alles. > BTW, moy ekane entypwsh oti soy aresei to paliomoditiko "look" ths, > enw gia thn Porson, p.x., poy einai original palioy styl (aythentikh), > les "den einai poly emfanisimh"... Aplh parathrhsh > gia tis ypokeimenikes protimhseis, exoyn poly endiaferon. > > Oyf ayta... > Akoyw krayges apognwshs "arxise pali o zvr gia fonts" kai stamatw... > -- > -- zvr -- > -- +---------------------------+ Alexios Zavras (-zvr-) > | H eytyxia den exei enoxes | zvr [ at ] pobox [ dot ] com > +-----------------------zvr-+ > > _______________________________________________ > Open-source mailing list > Open-source [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr ====================================================== Kostas Zorbadelos Otenet IT Department | BSO Team Out there in the darkness, out there in the night out there in the starlight, one soul burns brighter than a thousand suns.
