AGAPHTOI FILOI AKOLOYQEI TO MHNYMA THS KYRIAKHS POY ESTEILA KATA LAQOS STO ADMIN. YPARXOYN ENOTHTES POY H KAQEMIA APOTELEITAI APO TRIA MERH. TMHMA TOY ARXIKOY MOY MHNYMATOS, APANTHSH TOY Kou MARGARITH STA ELLHNIKA KAI DIKH MOY ANTAPANTHSH. GIWRGOS MPLANAS On Sunday 18 May 2003 20:00, you wrote: > Agaphtoi filoi, > > Ta X-windows einai akadhmaikh ereynhtikh doyleia me poly aysthres > prodiagrafes sygkrothmenwn omadwn aristwn epaggelmatiwn kai > akadhmaikwn toy MIT kai ths XEROX kai me kapoia symeetoxh ths IBM. Kai > to Linux einai basika dhmioyrghma enos poly proikismenoy an8rwpoy poy > ekpaideythke se aristo akadhmaiko periballon panw sth doyleia enos > alloy megaloy twn leitoyrgikwn systhmatwn - tou Tanenbaum (MINIX). ÕðÜñ÷ïõí êáé Üëëá open source projects ðïõ äåí îåêßíçóáí Ýôóé áëëÜ Ý÷ïõí ìåãÜëç åðéôõ÷ßá. KDE? GNOME? Mozilla? Êáé üìùò áñêåß ìüíï Ýíáò äýï ðáèéáóìÝíïé coders ÷ùñßò íá ïñßóïõí áõóôçñÝò ðñïäéáãñáöÝò, üðùò èá Ýêáíå ìéá åôáéñåßá ãéá íá îåêéíÞóåé Ýíá open-source project. ÌåôÜ áíáëüãùò ôçí åðéôõ÷ßá ôïõ project èá ÷ñåéáóôåß Þ ü÷é ðåñéóóüôåñç ïñãÜíùóç êáé ôåêìçñßùóç. ÁëëÜ äåí ìðïñþ íá èõìçèþ êáíÝíá open-source project ðïõ íá îåêßíçóå áíÜðïäá. Êáé äåí ìéëÜù ãéá Þäç õðÜñ÷ùí êþäéêá ðïõ ìéá åôáéñåßá ôïõ Üëëáîå ôï license êáé ôïí Ýêáíå áíïé÷ôü. Anefera ta shmantikotera epiteygmata. Alla kai ta parapanw projects - idiws KDE kai Mozilla - apoteloun metekseliksh anti-bazzar logismikou. Kai paramenoun periorismenou gnwstikou pedioy - logismiko systhmatwn. Mporei na boh8hsan kai alloi sthn poreia -alla gia symplhrwseis oxi gia ta krisima 8emata. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > H metepeita symplhrwsh toy einai sygkritika poly mikrhs aksias. > Paramenei > to gegonos oti akoma kai Äåí èá ìðïñïõóá íá äéáöùíÞóù ðåñéóóüôåñï óå áõôÞí ôç äÞëùóç. Ï Linus Torvalds áõôÞ ôç óôéãìÞ åßíáé åßôå ôï èÝëïõìå åßôå ü÷é, ï Üíèñùðïò ðïõ îÝñåé êáëýôåñá áðü üëïõò ôçí åóùôåñéêÞ ëåéôïõñãßá ôïõ ðõñÞíá ôïõ Linux. Äåí áíáöÝñïìáé óå drivers êáé äåõôåñåýïíôá æçôÞìáôá áëëÜ ôïí ðõñÞíá ôïõ ðõñÞíá(!). ÏðïéáäÞðïôå áëëáãÞ óôá óçìáíôéêÜ ôìÞìáôá ôïõ ðõñÞíá ðåñíÜåé åîïíõ÷éóôéêü Ýëåã÷ï. ÌéêñÞò áîßáò? Ðùò êáôáëÞãåé êÜðïéïò óå áõôü ôï óõìðÝñáóìá; H shmantikh diafora egine apo ton Linus. Ayta pou eginan sth synexeia mporousan na ginoun apo pollous allous - px mia etaireia tou Linus h kapoioy alloy. Isws to bazaar na exei kapoia aksia se symplhrwmatika 8emata alla an basistoyme s' ayto gia na poreytoume perpatame me pantofles - peponofloudes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > stis 'symplhrwseis' toy Linux doulepsan an8rwpoi me koino gnwstiko > pedio, ypsilhs poiothtas kai pei8arxias pragma sxedon adynato na > epanalhf8ei sta perissotera gnwstika pedia me ta shmerina ergaleia. > Ena megalo problhma ÁõôÞ ôç óôéãìÞ, óôï KDE êáé óôï GNOME, ÷ñçóéìïðïéïýíôáé ôåëåõôáßáò ëÝîçò ôå÷íïëïãßåò óôçí åíäïåðéêïéíùíßá ôùí ðñïãñáììÜôùí, ðïõ âáóßæïíôáé óå áñêåôÜ áêáäçìáúêÜ èÝìáôá, üðùò CORBA, slots & signals. Åßíáé ëßãï Üäéêç ãéá ôïõò ðñïãñáììáôéóôÝò áõôÞ ç áíôéìåôþðéóç. Den diafwnoume - ta ergaleia ayta den mporoun na xrhsimopoih8uoun apo an8rwpous allwn gnwstikwn pediwn - kai h prospa8eia 8a parameinei sta logismika systhmatwn. Omws to strathgiko logismiko twn allwn episthmonikwn pediwn pou ka8orizei kai tis eksarthseis apo ta strathgika logismika systhmatwn. Alla akomh kai sta periorismena gnwstika pedia polloi ligoi an8rwpoi mporoyn na symmetasxoyn. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -kai yparxoyn polla alla- me thn antilhpsh poy exoyme dextei gia thn > anaptyksh anoixtoy logismikoy einai oti ta xarakthristika tou odhgoyn > sthn anaptyksh gnwstikwn kai synepws oikonomikwn diamantiwn ekei opou > yparxoyn nwritera omades sygkritika ypsiloterwn ikanothtwn kai > wrimothtas kai oi ypoloipoi mporei aplws na katalhgoyn poly kaloi > metafrastes h pistopoihmenoi xrhstes - ti eixes Giannh'm ti eixa > panta. An den epilhf8ei ¼ðùò ç éóôïñßá Ý÷åé äåßîåé ðÜìðïëëåò öïñÝò, ôï ðÜèïò ãéá êÜôé êáëü, Ý÷åé õðåñíéêÞóåé ôçí êáëÞ ïñãÜíùóç, ôéò Üöèïíåò ðñþôåò ýëåò êáé ôçí ðåéèáñ÷ßá. Ãéá íá åßìáé åéëéêñéíÞò, ôá äéáìÜíôéá óôçí áíèñþðéíç éóôïñßá, ìÜëëïí ìå ðÜèïò äçìéïõñãÞèçêáí ðáñÜ ìå ìåèïäéêüôçôá. Symfwnw oti to atomo kanei megalh diafora. Dystyxws ayto to pa8os mazi me gnwsh einai sygkentrwmeno se poly liga merh. Kai h fysh toy anoixtoy logismikoy me ton periorismo stoys aristoys gia ka8e ergo periorizei toys alloys se roloys komparsou xeirotera apo to kleisto opoy mporei na kanoyn to idio pragma polloi kai oxi mono na zhsoyn alla kai na ais8an8oyn proswrina spoydaioi - wspoy na sbhsoyn - epeidh mas einai gnwsto oti h fysh toy kleistoy logismikoy einai h dhmioyrgia monopwlioy. Kai etsi epitaxynetai h anisothta sthn anaptyksh omadwn gnwshs. Omws pa8os xwris strathgikh exei apodeix8ei oti dhmioyrgei apogohteyseis kai httes. Xreiazontai krisimes mazes se proxwrhmena epipeda texnikhs ikanothtas kai dioikhtikhs wrimothtas. Anamenoyme na dhmioyrgh8oyn aytes apo mones toys; O dromos einai strwmenos me narkes kai me ektropes pros katey8ynseis poy katalhgoyn se anepi8ymhta apotelesmata. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > o dhmosios tomeas na dwsei kinhtra gia anaptyksh dhmosioy anoixtoy > logismikoy gia na diathrhsh kai na anaptyksei twn ikanothtwn > anaptykshs logismikoy se e8nika kai perifereiaka epipeda - estw > Eyrwphs - to paignidi einai sxedon xameno. Me ta 8ola lisences kai ton > agwna elegxoy twn dianomwn 8a psaxnomaste kai 8a pa8oyme megales > oikjonomikes niles. > Óõìöùíþ üìùò åäþ üôé ï äçìüóéïò ôïìÝáò, èá ðñÝðåé ïðùóäÞðïôå íá óôçñßîåé ðåñéóóüôåñï, ðéï Ýìðñáêôá êáé ðéï åìöáíþò óôçí êïéíÞ ãíþìç, êéíÞóåéò üðùò ôï Open Source. -- Konstantinos Margaritis Consultant - IT Services Debian Developer Einai isxyrh elpida gia isorropia - epeidh mporei na prostateysei 8esmika apo tis ektropes kai exei kai to pleonekthma twn krisimwn mazwn se epipedo xrhstwn. H isxys toy omws ayth adynatizei ka8hmerina. Kai dystyxws exoyme to problhma stoys komboys elegxoy poy prokeimenoy na diathrhsoyn ton elegxo twn rown plhroforiwn kai porwn den toys endiaferei an makroxronia pnigoyn ta atoma poy blepoyn, 8eloyn kai mporoyn na kanoyn kati parapanw. Telos, isws h teleytaia sanida swthrias na apotelesoyn komboi dianomhs poy den 8a exoyn diabrw8ei. Kai s' ayto sas eyxomai olopsyxa na petyxete sthn Debian. Ston shmerino polemo 8a apotelesete isws toys Digenhdes - omws na kserete oti oi aytokratores mporei na kanoyn symfwnies me toys barbaroys sthn afeleia toys oti to 8ema einai oikonomiko. Kai nai, se teleytaia analysh otan 8a kykloforei h kata periptwsh no8a virus-enabled ekdosh anoixtoy logismikoy, 8a mporeite isws na mas prostateysete. 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