Petros Velonis wrote [edited]: > O/H Alexios Zavras έγραψε: > >Ti exei na prosferei sta melh toy UKUUG to Hellug ? > > Tipota. Poios diafonei; Egw! Fysika mporei na prosferei diafora, alla thelei doyleia... > >Ola ta parapanw apo makra empeiria synallagwn me sxetikes organwseis > >(EUUG, UKUUG, EurOpen, USENIX, SAGE, NLUUG, SANE, ...) > > Mhpos mporeis na doseis perissoteres plhrofories gia tis organoseis > autes? (oxi kat' anagkh gia thn UKUUG poy einai national). Ektos apo > ekptosh se conferences ti allo prosferoun; Isos ginoun paradeigma gia emas. Koytsompolistikes plhrofories: EUUG - European Unix Users' Group: apo tote poy yphrxan polla Unix, pethane otan h nomenclatoyra egine "Open Systems" EurOpen - diadoxos toy EUUG, ksekinhse to '91 (an thymamai kala, milhsa sthn prwth toy conference -- h htan h teleytaia toy EUUG?) me major blunder diafhmistiko (moirasane se oloys toys synedroys mployzakia me lathos logo -- th version poy aporrifthhke :-) Perpathse gia merika xronia, meta ksespasan kati skandala gia to poios efage ta lefta kai deka xronia twra einai oloi sta dikasthria. Monh klhronomia, polloi "ethnikoi" syllogoi, apo *UUG eginan "Open" kai toys emeine... opws to Europen.SE UKUUG - UK Unix Users' Group: ki ayto apo palia, kapoia stigmh malwse me toys Eyrwpaioys giati thewroyse oti htan idiaitero, h eleysh twn diktywn to apodynamwse, me to linux ksana-phre ligo ta panw toy. Kataplhktikh conference to '90 (?) gia thn enhlikiwsh toy Unix, ekei gnwrisa oloys twn Bell Labs. NLUUG - Netherlands Unix Users' Group: ki ayto poly palio, ksekopse nwris apo to Eyrwpaiko kyklo kai proskollhse sthn Amerikh, poly stenoys desmoys me Usenix, polles conferences klp. Fetos trigmoi sta eswterika, leptomereies apo bdomada poy tha toys dw... Usenix - twra ti na pw ? selides epi selidwn poy de tha grapsw twra. SAGE - Systems Administrator's Guild - mexri perisy group toy Usenix, twra aposxisthke kai egine aytodynamh organwsh, aytes tis meres (mexri 24 toy mhnos) ekloges gia neo D.S. kai kateythynsh. Kaneis de mporei na problepsei to mellon toy. SANE - ksekinhse apo conference, egine aytoysios organismos (me basiko antikeimeno thn conference). Leptomereies se epomeno mail, mia poy thelw na sas kalesw oloys (eimai program chair gia to 2006) Oyf, ayta... Ti prosferoyn sta melh toys ? Analoga apo to megethos kai th dynamikothta toys. Aytoi poy kanoyn conferences synhthws exoyn ekptwseis gia melh. Merikoi exoyn symfwnies me ekdotikoys oikoys (O'Reilly, p.x.) gia kalyteres times. H me bibliopwleia (online). H me diafora proionta (Sun, Seagate, k.a.). Ayta sthn Amerikh, basika. A, oles oi symfwnies einai country-specific -- den pa na'sai melos Usenix sthn Ellada, exases, den exeis tipota edw :-( Eidikes ekdoseis gia ta melh: apo newsletter mexri special booklets, mexri salary survey gia na deis oti oi alloi pairnoyn perissotera apo sena kai na paraponetheis sto afentiko soy. Ti allo ? (en opsei eklogwn eixame thn idia koybenta sto SAGE prosfata) Job boards -- aggelies. A! mailing lists, thematic. Eeee, done. Ayta thymamai, ws paroxes organwsewn pros ta melh toys. -- -- zvr -- -- +---------------------------+ Alexios Zavras (-zvr-) | H eytyxia den exei enoxes | zvr [ at ] pobox [ dot ] com +-----------------------zvr-+