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Σε αυτό το μακροσκελές νήμα, αυτό που θα ήθελα να προσθέσω είναι ότι δεν έχει νόημα να
προσπαθούμε να επιβάλουμε λύσεις ανοιχτού λογισμικού για θρησκευτικούς λόγους. Η επιδίωξή
μας πρέπει να είναι η σωστή και δίκαιη αντιμετώπιση του ανοιχτού λογισμικού και η προσπάθεια
να λύσουμε τα σωστά προβλήματα με τον καλύτερο τρόπο, όποιος και αν είναι αυτός. Αν
ανατρέξετε στην αρχική απάντηση του Διομήδη (copied below) θα δείτε ότι η ουσία της υπόθεσης
βρίσκεται ακριβώς εκεί.
Τώρα στην Ελληνικά πραγματικότητα υπάρχουν διάφορα προβλήματα στην υιοθέτηση του ανοιχτού
λογισμικού:
Lack of Know-How
Decision makers do not understand Open Source
Often considered Free (as in Beer) or Immature
Competitive Market
Do customers understand their needs?
Do customers choose the most competitive offer?
Chicken/Egg Problems
Cannot choose Open Source if there is no support
Cannot support Open Source due to little demand
Αλλά και λύσεις:
Academia
Open Source Curriculum
Hands-on Training
Companies
Invest in People
Technical Careers
Government
Enforce Transparency
Establish Open Source Usage Guidelines
Το δημόσιο μπορεί σαφώς να παίξει τον ρόλο καταλύτη στην επιτάχυνση της χρήσης αντοιχτού
λογισμικού/προτύπων και στην δημιουργία μιας αγοράς υπηρεσιών γύρω από το ανοιχτό λογισμικό,
ώστε να λυθεί το πρόβλημα της κότας και του αυγού. Αλλα προφανώς έχουμε πολύ δρόμο μπροστά
μας. Το να αναλωνόμαστε σε θρησκευτικού τύπου μάχες είναι απλά αντιπαραγωγικό.
My 0.02c
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JBoss Application Server
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Diomidis Spinellis wrote:
Niko,
Kala kaneis kai xekinas ti syzitisi afti. Kalo einai na xeroume tous
stoxous mas. O stoxos den einai na valoume open source sto dimosio, o
stoxos einai na prosferoume kalyteres kai apodotikoteres ypiresies me
xamilotero kostos, na enisxysoume tin egxoria texnognosia, na dosoume
efkairies anaptyxis tis ypsilis texnologias kai na afxisume tin
prostithemeni axia pou paragetai stin Ellada. Gia olous aftous tous
stoxous to ELLAK einai ena meso. Epomenos de theoro pos tha kanoume
kapoiou eidous stavroforia na vgaloume apo pantou ta Windows kai na
valoume Linux i FreeBSD. Afto pou tha prepei na kanoume einai na
dimiourgisoume efkairies etsi oste to ELLAK na krinetai dikaia kai na
egathistatai opou prosferei pleonektimata. Etsi, polla apo afta pou
grafeis katalligoun os energeies pou prepei na ylopoiithoun etsi kai
allios se kalodiaxeirizomena erga pliroforikis anexartita apo to an
xrisimopoiuon ELLAK i oxi.
An pistevoume sta pleonektimata tou ELLAK prepei na to afisoume na
yiothetithei xari s'afta, oxi na to epivaloume os ideologiki katefthinsi.
Filika,
Diomidis Spinellis
na tethoun kapois proypotheseis
Nick Kossifidis wrote:
Epeidh arga h grhgora tha prepei na exoume mia protash gia to ti tha
valoume sto dhmosio ki epeidh to pragma shkwnei syzhthsh exw merikous
provlhmatismous pou thelw na moirastw mazi sas kai sigoura pistevw oti
oi mailing lists einai arketa kalos xwros gia na syzhtisoume to thema.
Den mporoun pistevw na leipoun ap' th syzhthsh kai oi pleon armodioi
thesmika gia to thema, o kos. Karounos kai o kos. Spinelis, eks allou
exoume vrethei mazi arketes fores kai tous thewrw antrhwpous ths
koinothtas.
An valoume loipon open source sto dhmosio tha eimaste h prwth xwra
sthn Evrwph pou tha kanei kati tetoio, mexri stigmhs oti exei ginei
sto ekswteriko exei ginei se epipedo nomarxias/dhmou (px. Limux) kai
oxi se ethniko epipedo. Poloi theloun na paei strava ayth h
prospatheia, poloi theloun sto prwto security leak h sto prwto crash
na vgoun kai na poun "na ayto einai to open source" klp (merika
papagalakia hdh exoun poiasei douleia ->
http://www.tanea.gr/default.asp?pid=14&ct=11&artid=4546037). Sthn
periptwsh ths M$ mexri twra krazame mia sygekrimenh etairia kai ayth h
etairia analamvane kai thn eythinh gia to leitourgiko ths, sto open
source den yparxei kati tetoio, an kati paei strava to louzomaste oloi
mas, linux, openbsd, you name it. Den tha ginoume mono rompa ws xwra
an kati paei strava, tha einai kai megalo plhgma gia to open source
diethnws. Gi' ayto to logo pistevw oti to thema den afora mono thn
kyvernhsh kai tous armodious alla olous mas.
Exoume loipon arketous tomeis na psaksoume (feel free to add):
a) Hw/system architecture, theloume px. specs sto hw gia na einai
symvato me linux xwris xrhsh binary drivers. Yparxei ayth h dynatothta
na orisoume eks arxhs specs kai na kanoume ananewsh eksoplismou ?
Theloume workstations h dumb terminals (yparxei kai to thema ths
eksoikonomhshs energeias px) ? Ti dynatothtes theloume na exei to hw ?
Mporoume na aksiopoihsoume palious ypologistes h oi efarmoges pou
xreiazomaste einai varies ?
b) Ti efarmoges xreiazomaste ? Yparxoun kapoies custom efarmoges gia
to dhmosio h einai oles web based opote theloume apla ena firefox ?
Theloume na mporoun oi xrhstes na egathistoun programmata h einai
kalytero na tous "kleidwsoume" se ena perivalon sygekrimeno ? Gia tis
custom efarmoges efoson yparxoun exoume to source code gia na tis
ksanagrapsoume gia linux px h theloun douleia from scratch ? Theloume
aytes oi custom efarmoges na vgoun public kai open source h einai
security risk ?
c) Theloume en telei na trexoume linux/Open/Free(something) h mporoume
na afisoume ta windows kai apla na valoume firefox / thunderbird kai
open office ? Mhpws na ksekinhsoume etsi kai na prowthisoume th xrhsh
open source leitourgikou stadiaka opws kanoun sto Limux ? An valoume
mia dianomh linux poia einai h poio katallhlh ? Theloume mia custom
dianomh gia to dhmosio opws exoun kanei sto Limux h oxi ? An pame gia
custom dianomh tha kanoume ta panta maintain emeis (px gia logous
security -vl ssp pie klp- ypostirizoume mono ta aparaithta
programmata, kanoume maintain/monitor gia security issues kai den tous
afhnoume na valoun tipote allo) h xrhsimopoioume kai ta paketa ths
dianomhs pou tha xrhsimopoihsoume ws vash ?
d) To authentication tha ginetai kentrika (se kapoion kentriko LDAP
px) h topika (se servers pou tha yparxoun sta grafeia ths yphresias) ?
Tha exoume usernames/passwords h kapoia certificate authority (pkcs11)
me smartcards klp ? H mhpws theloume kati akoma poio custom (custom
smartcard me kana atmel h kamia javacard pou tha kanei emulate to
pkcs11 kai tha exei kai alla features -px. gpg card-) ? Ta logs pws
tha ta kanoume handle ? Tha exoume topika admins h kentrika ? Tha
prepei na proslhfthoun unixo-admins h mporoume na ekpaideysoume tous
yparxontes kai ti gnwseis prepei na exoun ?
e) Poios tha to stisei olo ayto kai poios tha kanei maintain ?
Theloume ws koinothta na symvaloume ethelontika px kanontas support
sto kep h thn yphresia ths perioxhs mas h den mporoume na analavoume
thn eythinh kai theloume kapoia etairia na to kanei ? Yparxoun tetoies
etairies sthn Ellada pou na exoun thn aparaithth texnognwsia ?
Theloume ayto na minei sto ypourgeio px. se kapoia kainouria yphresia
? To theloume poio open ki an nai pws ?
f) Ti exoume gia na doulepsoume ? Poia einai h katastash ayth th
stigmh, px ta kep kserw oti trexoun Redhad enterprize + oracle klp kai
einai web based, me tis ypoloipes yphresies ti ginetai ? Einai oles se
ena diktyo (syzefkshs px) h se diasparta ? Ta diktya ayta einai
private h pernane panw apo internet me kapoio vpn ? Ti security
measures exoume px. apo antivirus, firewalls klp, arkoun h theloume ki
alla ? Poios kanei handle to diktyo, kapoia etairia, o OTE, to
ypourgeio ?
Exw tis apopseis/protaseis mou sta parapanw alla tha hthela na dw kai
apo poio empeirous ti proteinoun + kyriws tis apopseis twn kwn
Karounou kai Spinelh.
P.S.1 Plz as mh ksekinhsoume flame gia distros h linux vs BSD klp
P.S.2 Epishs oxi allo flame hellug vs greeklug vs otideipote, to
open-source den einai h grafeiokratia/kareklokratia alla h idea kai oi
antrhwpoi pou thn trexoun
P.S.3 Oute kommatiko flame
P.S.4 Kai telos pantwn kanenos eidous flame !!!
Eyxaristw gia to xrono sas ;-)
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