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Åííïåßôå ôï ðáñáêÜôù ìÞíõìá Þ óôåßëáôå êÜðïéï Üëëï; > > ======================================== cut here ====================== > > > From - Mon May 19 12:04:12 2003 > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > Received: from nic.grnet.gr ([194.177.210.210]) by > server2000.grnet-hq.admin.grnet.gr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); > > Sun, 18 May 2003 20:01:14 +0300 > > Received: from nic.grnet.gr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > > by nic.grnet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4IH1BFf020088; > > Sun, 18 May 2003 20:01:11 +0300 (EET DST) > > Received: from pinios.teilar.gr (pinios.teilar.gr [195.251.124.68]) > > by nic.grnet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4IH0EFf020022 > > for <open-source [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr>; Sun, 18 May 2003 20:00:14 +0300 (EET DST) > > Received: from dragon.teilar.gr (dragon.teilar.gr [195.251.124.71]) > > by pinios.teilar.gr (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA07315; > > Sun, 18 May 2003 19:59:48 +0300 (EET DST) > > Received: (from nobody@localhost) > > by dragon.teilar.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26002; > > Sun, 18 May 2003 20:00:51 +0300 (EET DST) > > From: blanas [ at ] teilar [ dot ] gr > > X-Authentication-Warning: dragon.teilar.gr: nobody set sender to > blanas [ at ] teilar [ dot ] gr using -f > > Received: from vdp100.lar01.cas.hol.gr ( [vdp100.lar01.cas.hol.gr]) > > as user blanas [ at ] mail [ dot ] teilar [ dot ] gr by www.teilar.gr with HTTP; > > Sun, 18 May 2003 20:00:50 +0300 > > Message-ID: <1053277250 [ dot ] 3ec7bc42c3c87 [ at ] www [ dot ] teilar [ dot ] gr> > > To: Alexandros Diamantidis <adia [ at ] noc [ dot ] uoa [ dot ] gr> > > Cc: open-source [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > > Subject: Re: Format Odigon. > > References: <3EC14323 [ dot ] C35E8C6F [ at ] freemail [ dot ] gr> > <20030513200258 [ dot ] GA846 [ at ] softlab [ dot ] ece [ dot ] ntua [ dot ] gr> <3EC2B045 [ dot ] 9B901467 [ at ] freemail [ dot ] gr> > <20030515002752 [ dot ] GB18789 [ at ] softlab [ dot ] ece [ dot ] ntua [ dot ] gr> > <1053091717 [ dot ] 3ec4e785b0f81 [ at ] www [ dot ] teilar [ dot ] gr> <20030518102928 [ dot ] GA1185 [ at ] noc [ dot ] uoa [ dot ] gr> > > In-Reply-To: <20030518102928 [ dot ] GA1185 [ at ] noc [ dot ] uoa [ dot ] gr> > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;q=1.0 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 > > X-Originating-IP: 195.97.50.132 > > Sender: open-source-admin [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > > Errors-To: open-source-admin [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > > X-BeenThere: open-source [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 > > Precedence: bulk Return-Path: <blanas [ at ] teilar [ dot ] gr> Delivered-To: open-source [ at ] ellak [ dot ] gr > > List-Help: <mailto:open-source-request [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr?subject=help> > > List-Post: <mailto:open-source [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr> > > List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.grnet.gr/mailman/listinfo/open-source>, > > <mailto:open-source-request [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr?subject=subscribe> > > List-Id: A discusion list about the open-source movement in Greece. > <open-source.grnet.gr> > > List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.grnet.gr/mailman/listinfo/open-source>, > > <mailto:open-source-request [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr?subject=unsubscribe> > > List-Archive: <http://mailman.grnet.gr/mailman/private/open-source/> > > Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 20:00:50 +0300 > > Return-Path: open-source-admin [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2003 17:01:15.0021 (UTC) > FILETIME=[178533D0:01C31D5F] > > > > Agaphtoi filoi, > > > > Ta X-windows einai akadhmaikh ereynhtikh doyleia me poly aysthres > prodiagrafes sygkrothmenwn omadwn aristwn epaggelmatiwn kai akadhmaikwn > toy MIT kai ths XEROX kai me kapoia symeetoxh ths IBM. Kai to Linux > einai basika dhmioyrghma enos poly proikismenoy an8rwpoy poy > ekpaideythke se aristo akadhmaiko periballon panw sth doyleia enos alloy > megaloy twn leitoyrgikwn systhmatwn - tou Tanenbaum (MINIX). H metepeita > symplhrwsh toy einai sygkritika poly mikrhs aksias. Paramenei to gegonos > oti akoma kai stis 'symplhrwseis' toy Linux doulepsan an8rwpoi me koino > gnwstiko pedio, ypsilhs poiothtas kai pei8arxias pragma sxedon adynato > na epanalhf8ei sta perissotera gnwstika pedia me ta shmerina ergaleia. > > Ena megalo problhma -kai yparxoyn polla alla- me thn antilhpsh poy > exoyme dextei gia thn anaptyksh anoixtoy logismikoy einai oti ta > xarakthristika tou odhgoyn sthn anaptyksh gnwstikwn kai synepws > oikonomikwn diamantiwn ekei opou yparxoyn nwritera omades sygkritika > ypsiloterwn ikanothtwn kai wrimothtas kai oi ypoloipoi mporei aplws na > katalhgoyn poly kaloi metafrastes h pistopoihmenoi xrhstes - ti eixes > Giannh'm ti eixa panta. An den epilhf8ei o dhmosios tomeas na dwsei > kinhtra gia anaptyksh dhmosioy anoixtoy logismikoy gia na diathrhsh kai > na anaptyksei twn ikanothtwn anaptykshs logismikoy se e8nika kai > perifereiaka epipeda - estw Eyrwphs - to paignidi einai sxedon xameno. > Me ta 8ola lisences kai ton agwna elegxoy twn dianomwn 8a psaxnomaste > kai 8a pa8oyme megales oikjonomikes niles. > > > > Me ektimhsh > > > > Giwrgos Mplanas > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Alexandros Diamantidis <adia [ at ] noc [ dot ] uoa [ dot ] gr>: > > > >> * blanas [ at ] teilar [ dot ] gr [2003-05-16 16:28]: > >> > > >> > Symfwnw me ton Alexio. H istoria deixnei oti kai sto software, ta > diamantia > >> > >> > opws linux kai X-windows den eginan me to bazaaar model. Kai an eginan > >> kapoia > >> > pragmata einai epeidh doylepsan eidikoi an8rwpoi me koinh gnwsh kai > >> pei8axia > >> > se periorismena domain, pragma pou genikotera den isxyei. To bazaar > model > >> > einai h apopsh enos oikonomologou pou pote den katalabe pws anaptysetai > kai > >> > >> > pws leitoyrgei to logismiko. Yparxoyn terastia kena sthn 8ewria ayth. > >> > >> Ôá ðáñáðÜíù äåí åßíáé áêñéâÞ... Êáôáñ÷Üò, ï Eric Raymond ðïõ êáèéÝñùóå > >> ôïí üñï "bazaar model" äåí åßíáé ïéêïíïìïëüãïò áëëÜ ÷Üêåñ (äçëáäÞ > >> ðñïãñáììáôéóôÞò). ÅðéðëÝïí, äå ëÝåé áêñéâþò üôé Ýíá Ýñãï ìðïñåß íá > >> äçìéïõñãçèåß áðü ôï ìçäÝí ìå ÷áëáñÞ óõíåñãáóßá äåêÜäùí Þ åêáôïíôÜäùí > >> áôüìùí. Áíôßèåôá, ëÝåé üôé ç áñ÷éêÞ ìïñöÞ ôïõ Ýñãïõ åßíáé áðïôÝëåóìá > >> åðéêåíôñùìÝíçò äïõëåéÜò Ýíïò ðñïãñáììáôéóôÞ, Þ ìéáò êëåéóôÞò ïìÜäáò > >> áôüìùí ðïõ óõíåñãÜæïíôáé óôåíÜ. Áöïý üìùò Ý÷åé äçìéïõñãçèåß ç áñ÷éêÞ > >> ìïñöÞ ôïõ Ýñãïõ, ôüôå ìðïñåß íá ìðåé óôç öÜóç ôïõ "bazaar". Ãéá > >> ðñïãñÜììáôá, áõôü ðñïûðïèÝôåé íá åßíáé ÷ñÞóéìá êáé íá äïõëåýïõí - áëëéþò > >> åßíáé äýóêïëï íá áó÷ïëçèåß êÜðïéá åõñýôåñç êïéíüôçôá ìáæß ôïõò. Ôï > >> bazaar óçìáßíåé íá õðÜñ÷ïõí óõ÷íÜ, ðñïïäåõôéêÜ releases ôïõ Ýñãïõ, êáé ç > >> åðéêïéíùíßá ôçò ïìÜäáò ôïõ ôï áíáðôýóóåé íá åßíáé áíïé÷ôÞ, Ýôóé þóôå íá > >> ìðïñåß üðïéïò èÝëåé íá óõììåôÜó÷åé (ð÷. íá ìðïñåß üðïéïò èÝëåé íá > >> äéáâÜóåé ôá áñ÷åßá áðü ôõ÷üí mailing list êáé íá ãñáöôåß ó' áõôÝò, íá > >> ìðïñåß íá äåé ôá CVS logs, êëð). > >> > >> Ãéá ôï X äåí åßìáé óßãïõñïò ðùò áíáðôý÷èçêå (ðÝñáí ôïõ üôé îåêßíçóå áðü > >> ôï Athena Project óôï MIT) áëëÜ ôï Linux áðü ôçí áñ÷Þ áíáðôý÷èçêå ìå ôç > >> öéëïóïößá ôïõ bazaar. ÕðÜñ÷ïõí ðáñáäåßãìáôá ðåôõ÷çìÝíùí ðñïãñáììÜôùí ðïõ > >> áêïëïõèïýí êáé ôéò äõï öéëïóïößåò, ôïõ "bazaar" êáé ôïõ "cathedral", > >> áðëþò ï Raymond ëÝåé üôé ç ðñþôç Ý÷åé óçìáíôéêÜ ðëåïíåêôÞìáôá. > >> > >> ¸÷ù áñêåôü êáéñü ðïõ äéÜâáóá ôï "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", ïðüôå ôá > >> ðáñáðÜíù ìðïñåß íá ìçí åßíáé ôåëåßùò óùóôÜ. Ôá êåßìåíá ôïõ Raymond åðß > >> ôïõ èÝìáôïò âñßóêïíôáé åäþ êáé áîßæåé íá ôá äéáâÜóåôå: > >> > >> http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/ > >> > >> -- > >> ÁëÝîáíäñïò Äéáìáíôßäçò * adia [ at ] noc [ dot ] uoa [ dot ] gr > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Open-source mailing list > >> Open-source [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > This mail sent through IMP web mail service: http://www.teilar.gr/horde/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Open-source mailing list > > Open-source [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > > > > ======================================== cut here ====================== > > > -- > Zissimos Antonis || Antonis [ dot ] Zissimos [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > Greek Research and Technology Network > Tel: +30-210-7474249 && Fax: +30-210-7474490 > > _______________________________________________ > Open-source mailing list > Open-source [ at ] grnet [ dot ] gr > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP web mail service: http://www.teilar.gr/horde/