You will fork NCP in a repo of your own under GFOSS Account (I think).
We haven't thought merging upstream like that. Most probably Ignacio,
the lead developer of NCP, will have an idea on how to work with this.
This is not to be a consideration for now.
GFOSS can provide a VM for GSoC for the chosen student to be able to run
tests, etc. In some cases the VMs stay up (for example if they host
something) even after the GSoC period ends.
Best Regards
On 4/7/19 10:41 PM, Dimitris Maroulidis wrote:
In continuation of my previous email I have a few more questions.
Where will I execute the project, will I do that in NCP github repo
and continuously update or will I merge everything at the end of the
coding period? Also, the HA and probably some other tasks will require
testing infrastructure. How would we fulfill that need?
Best Regards,
Dimitris Maroulidis
President at Wyse Creative
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On Sunday, 7 April 2019 7:26 PM, Dimitris Maroulidis
<dmaroulidis [ at ] dimitrismaroulidis [ dot ] com> wrote:
Hello Mr Sarantos,
Are we supposed to complete all research into how to do each task
before the coding period, or can we research things as we go along?
Also, I've read on GSoC's website that after May 6th, if my project
gets selected, I'll get matched with a mentor. On GFOSS's wiki,
though, there are 3 listed mentors. What will be done?
Also, I'm currently thinking and writing the timeline. Other than
that, my draft is finished. Once I receive your notes on it, I'm
going to write the final proposal pdf.
Best regards,
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On Sunday, 7 April 2019 1:01 AM, Dimitris Maroulidis
<dmaroulidis [ at ] dimitrismaroulidis [ dot ] com> wrote:
I have shared my draft proposal, but I expect to enrich it tomorrow
morning with a timeline, and other info about myself and my reasons
for participating in GSoC, in accordance with GFOSS's Proposal
Guidelines.
Best Regards,
Dimitris Maroulidis
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On Sunday, 7 April 2019 12:31 AM, Pantelis Sarantos
<pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr> wrote:
Let me know when you upload the draft proposal.
Expect me to make notes for it tomorrow evening.
Anything else you need, you can ask at any time and I will try to
answer as soon as possible...
Best Regards
On April 7, 2019 12:20:12 AM GMT+03:00, Dimitris Maroulidis
<dmaroulidis [ at ] dimitrismaroulidis [ dot ] com> wrote:
Thank you for your references, and making clear the objectives
behind such suggestion. I shall add it to my draft, but this,
also, will probably require more research, beyond the 9th of
April. As such this part will be more vague.
Thank you for your answers.
Best Regards
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On Sunday, 7 April 2019 12:13 AM, Pantelis Sarantos
<pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr> wrote:
As you can understand the nature of this GSoC project is to
enter the area that high availability is needed. Consider the
help for big organizations for Ansible and high availability
options.
Check this
(https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/11/admin_manual/installation/deployment_recommendations.html)
for reference and search in the forums for users who asked
previously for help regarding high availability.
The fact that Nextcloud GmbH offers support to it's clients
does not limit us to provide an option, that could help many;
obviously not all... Consider organizations (like GFOSS) that
could not afford paid plans from external support companies
and the ease options like this would provide to them.
Excuse my brief writing as I type from mobile.
Please continue to ask me questions if you have more.
Best Regards
On April 6, 2019 11:49:37 PM GMT+03:00, Dimitris Maroulidis
<dmaroulidis [ at ] dimitrismaroulidis [ dot ] com> wrote:
I read the previous reply and searched for Nextcloud's
high availability suggestions, but those are hidden behind
their enterprise clients area. What's the use case for a
high-availability NextcloudPi installation, or rather
who's going to use this, that wouldn't be covered by
Nextcloud's commercial offerings?
Best regards,
Dimitris Maroulidis
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On Saturday, 6 April 2019 11:26 PM, Pantelis Sarantos
<pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr> wrote:
The app in your local instance you are talking about is
the one you are supposed to improve...
The final deliverables will be specified in may, in the
boding period. So if you are the chosen student we will
spend some time to review your proposed
implementations... For your proposal try to show your
suggestions and your proposed implementations because you
will be rated for that... Keep in mind that it is
possible that we don't choose no-one for the project, if
none of the proposals is very good.
I would suggest that you look for the way Nextcloud
proposes high availability options and try to adjust it
to our project... For this you would probably consider
using multiple servers. That said it would be ok for me
if you don't feel good with it, to replace it. Consider
well before doing so because other mentors might find
this an issue.
You can 'upgrade' a task for your proposal to be a
priority and not a secondary task. Make sure you propose
something easy and efficient. The user should do the
least possible actions.
Excuse my short - direct writing, I am typing from my
mobile phone.
Please continue to ask me questions if you have more.
Best regards
On April 6, 2019 11:01:04 PM GMT+03:00, Dimitris
Maroulidis <dmaroulidis [ at ] dimitrismaroulidis [ dot ] com> wrote:
Hello Mr Sarantos,
As I've seen from my local ncp instance there exists
a NextcloudPi Nextcloud App but apparently it's just
a shortcut. Is that the app that you meant in the
project idea, and it the one I'm supposed to improve?
Dimitris Maroulidis
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On Saturday, 6 April 2019 10:49 PM, Dimitris
Maroulidis <dmaroulidis [ at ] dimitrismaroulidis [ dot ] com> wrote:
Dear Mr Sarantos,
I'm currently writing the project details portion of
the draft proposal, and I expect that it'll be
available tomorrow morning.
I've a few questions about the mobile app part. In
my proposal I mention that I'll deliver an Android
app for server adminitration and monitoring. I'm
going to be using React Native to achieve that. It's
my understanding that the same application source,
with a few changes, can be used for an iOS app, too.
But since I don't have a Mac with XCode available I
won't be able to deliver that, also. Is it possible
to specify with greater precision the deliverables
after the Final Proposal is submitted, since that
would require additional research from my part?
Since I don't have any experience in
creating/designing high availabilty architectures,
would it be possible to drop that task and replace
it with mail hosting as a main deliverable, since
I'm more comfortable in setting up such systems,
having installed and managed my own mailserver for 2
years.
Finally, do I need to make a Nextcloud app that
displays/connects to the existing ncp webui or
redesign the webui for the app, too?
Best regards,
Dimitris Maroulidis
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On Saturday, 6 April 2019 9:37 PM, Pantelis Sarantos
<pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr
<mailto:pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr>> wrote:
Dear Mr Maroulidis
As for your first question, the NCP Web Panel must
be embedded in Nextcloud as a native Nextcloud
"App" in order for users to be able to manage NCP
from their Nextcloud UI. UI fixes are highly
welcomed but they are not supposed to take a lot of
time as there are more important stuff to be done.
As for your second question it would be nice if you
could port onlyoffice and collabora but this needs
a lot of testing and it eventually might be dropped
of from the deliverables.
As for your third question, yes it is up to you to
design the architecture for a high availability option.
As for your fourth question, it is up to you to
propose the most efficient way you think it can be
done, and you can make predefined choices so that
the user don't get confused with many configuration
options. As other configuration options already
exist in ncp, they ask from the user the minimum
information and deal everything in the developer's
implementation.
Hope these help.
I am available for anything else you need
Best Regards
On 4/6/19 2:03 AM, Dimitris Maroulidis wrote:
Dear Mr Sarantos,
I've a few questions about the specifics of the
expected results. Firstly, what's expected of the
first result ("Develop: Nextcloud Native NCP App
(webpanel)"); would I need to develop a platform
native app using the, already existing, webapp,
or, merely, fix the UI/UX of the existing webapp
and add functionality. Secondly, should I port
onlyoffice and collabora online to arm, as part of
the project?
Also, I think that the "Design/Develop: high
availability for large installations" is vague; is
it up to me to design the architecture to achieve
that task?
On the secondary task of having an easy way to
self-host email, I think that we could draw
inspiration from othe existing self-host email
projects, such as Yunohost, etc. But this task
specifically cannot be a secondary task, because
of the complexity of configuration and maintenance
required to run a mail server.
Awaiting your answers.
Kind regards,
Dimitris Maroulidis
President at Wyse Creative
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On Thursday, 4 April 2019 9:25 PM, Pantelis
Sarantos <pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr>
<mailto:pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr> wrote:
Dear Mr Maroulidis
Feel free to include the most doable tasks that
you will manage to deal with in the coding time.
Also feel free to replace/append or change the
implementation of any of the tasks with a more
convenient method. But keep in mind that we want
most of the tasks listed to be developed, so it
wouldn't be wise to completely change the tasks.
The aim is to be able to do as much as possible
with the most efficient way.
It is highly recommended that you define the
framework/platform that you with use for the
mobile app, as it is highly recommended to make
research about all the tasks in the proposal and
determine the way you are going to implement the
tasks.
I want to make this clear. You are going to be
rated by the proposal and by how you are going to
develop the tasks. Be open minded and think
outside of the box...
Get back to me if you need anything else...
On 4/4/19 6:43 PM, Dimitris Maroulidis wrote:
Hello Mr Sarantos,
I understand your point. Is it necessary that my
proposal include all the main tasks of the
project idea, or could I replace/append other
parts of NextcloudPi that I feel more
comfortable to tackle? Also, is it necessary to
determine the framework/platform for the mobile
app on my final proposal? When I complete my
draft I'll be sure to notify you.
Kind Regards,
Dimitris Maroulidis
President at Wyse Creative
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On Thursday, 4 April 2019 6:24 PM, Pantelis
Sarantos <pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr>
<mailto:pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr> wrote:
Hello Mr Maroulidis
I am going to analyze your questions straight away.
The |JAVA| language requirement is needed for
the NCP Moblie App. Actually you could find an
alternative to Java, like developing the mobile
app in a mobile app framework (write
HTML/CSS/JS and produce mobile apps)
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I see in your emails that you are focusing to
your bio and your resume. Keep in mind that all
mentors at GFOSS are more interested in the way
you are going to complete your goals and why
your proposal is better that others, or good as
to it’s-self . We are interested in your resume
to the point we get to know you have the coding
skills, but we are not that interested that
much as a company that you apply a job would.
So I would suggest that you do write a short
bio and a short text about your skills in the
proposal but do not focus a lot on this as it
is a minor.
I hope I made things more clear. Feel free to
contact me again in regard anything you find to
be blurry.
I’ve cc’ed the list and the other mentor,
Stathis Iosifidis
Best Regards
On 4/4/19 6:07 PM, Dimitris Maroulidis wrote:
Hello Mr Sarantos,
I've started writing a draft proposal for this
project. I'm an undergraduate studying
Production and Mechanical Engineering at
Technical University of Crete. I've
contributed to NextcloudPi during
DigitalOcean's Hacktoberfest 2018 (Adding
functionality to NCP's fail2ban config files).
I've, also, met mr. Iosifidis at Fosscomm 2018
in Iraklion.
Primarily I write in Python. But I have some
experience in Bash, mainly because I've been
administering Linux servers for 10 years. I've
no experience in Java, and I'd like to ask to
what extent is that needed for NCP. Also, I've
been running my own website since 2012, and
I've created some others, without using a CMS,
(i.e. I can write in HTML/CSS and I've a good
understanding of Javascript.
How does that sound? I'm interested in reading
your answers.
Kind Regards,
Dimitris Maroulidis
<https://dimitrismaroulidis.com>
<https://dimitrismaroulidis.com>
Member of IEEE's TUC Student Branch
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On Thursday, 4 April 2019 5:49 PM, Pantelis
Sarantos <pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr>
<mailto:pantelis [ dot ] sar [ at ] eellak [ dot ] gr> wrote:
Hello Mr Dimitris Maroulidis
I am Pantelis Sarantos one of the mentors of
NCP GSoC Project
It is always a good idea to focus to make a
good plan of the timeline you are going to
follow while developing NCP. I would make an
assessment of the |tasks| and prioritize the
easy ones first.
This project is really open for all students
to propose their views and their “code
personalities”. So feel free to suggest
whatever is easier to complete the tasks
(example use an existing opensource project).
Also write in the proposal *the way you are
going to solve each tasks and why your way is
good or better that others*.
Feel free to leave the Secondary tasks to the
end of the timeline in your proposal, if you
think this is a good option. These are to be
developed if there is enough time in the end
of the 3rd moth of coding.
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Please ask a direct question if a task is not
very clear to you and I will try to explain
it further. Most of the tasks are self
explanatory, but I understand that some might
not be very clear.
I am here for anything you need.
On 4/4/19 12:57 PM, Dimitris Maroulidis wrote:
Hello,
My name is Dimitris Maroulidis and I'm
interested in the suggested project for
NextcloudPi
(https://ellak.gr/wiki/index.php?title=Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_proposed_ideas#NextCloudPi),
and I'd like to know more about what I need
for the draft proposal initially (i.e. what
does it need to include). I've made accepted
PRs before for the NextcloudPi project.
I've, also, translated for the Gnome project.
Dimitris Maroulidis
<https://dimitrismaroulidis.com>
<https://dimitrismaroulidis.com>
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